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Title: Middlemarch
Author: George Eliot
Genre: Classic literary saga of middle class people screwing up their lives through shitty marriages
Thingummies: 3.5

Synopsis: The story of everyone ever to live in this one town, and why sexism caused people to make bad marriages and ruin their lives forever.

Thoughts: I have to say, despite the random ramblings about proto-Zionism, I liked Daniel Duronda better.

Nearly everything in this story is driven by marriage. People making terrible decisions about who to marry, people twisting their lives around to try to get someone to marry them, people twisting other people's lives to prevent them from marrying someone, past unwise marriages destroying people's lives for generations. It's fascinating, as sexism drives a lot of these shitty decisions and the author talks a lot of the talk of women being weak and illogical. But the fact that the writer is in fact female, if only disguised, and the fact that her characters actual actions reveal the same levels of wisdom and foolishness amongst the male and female characters turns the entire thing into a subtle refutation that men are intellectually superior to women. But because of their beliefs in this fallacy, the characters completely screw up their lives. Dorothea's belief that her role as a pious and intelligent woman requires her to prostrate herself before her husband leads her to marry a man who turns out to be a lousy scholar with subpar work. Rosamond's angelic looks and sweet manners makes Lydgate believe that she is docile when in fact she's a selfish idiot. Only Mary insists on setting her own conditions and only Mary and Fred have what seems like a functional relationship at the end.

I did enjoy this book, but I remain baffled as to why it's hailed as one of the best novels in the English language. I found Landislaw, who I suppose is the closest thing to a real romantic hero we have, to be immature and entirely unworthy of Dorothea. A lot of the symbolism seems a bit heavy-handed to me. Fred and Mary's story takes up a huge chunk of first half of the book, and then they disappear for the entire climax and only pop up again in the epilogue, making the whole thing feel unbalanced. There's some really good insights into people, but on the whole, this felt clunky to me. I realize this is far more ambitious than, say, Jane Austen, to choose a contemporary. But the sprawlingness feels less epic and more undisciplined, as though Eliot just included random bits as they occurred to her and without any thought of how it furthered the goals of the novel as a whole.

Date: 2011-11-22 06:47 pm (UTC)From: [identity profile] ivy03.livejournal.com
You may be the only person who know who's read Middlemarch who wasn't in the process of getting an English degree.

Date: 2011-11-22 07:14 pm (UTC)From: [identity profile] jethrien.livejournal.com
Gonna point out, read War and Peace earlier this year.

Date: 2011-11-22 07:23 pm (UTC)From: [identity profile] ivy03.livejournal.com
Yes, but you were the third person I knew at that particular moment reading War and Peace for fun, and I've had friends read it for fun in the past. Middlemarch seems to be the emblamatic book that everyone hates but has to read for class.

Date: 2011-11-22 07:26 pm (UTC)From: [identity profile] jethrien.livejournal.com
How about Tristram Shandy, then?

We also do have a friend reading Daniel Duronda at the moment, which is rather more obscure than Middlemarch.

Date: 2011-11-22 07:32 pm (UTC)From: [identity profile] ivy03.livejournal.com
Tristram Shandy gets an exception because I liked it. (Though I did read it for a class.)

And I've never even heard of Daniel Duronda. Also didn't know George Eliot was a woman.

Date: 2011-11-22 07:46 pm (UTC)From: [identity profile] jethrien.livejournal.com
Mary Anne Evans, actually. I feel as if B&N tends to use her image a fair amount--she was a very distinctively ugly woman.

Date: 2011-11-22 08:09 pm (UTC)From: [identity profile] ivy03.livejournal.com
Oh, and I have a new example of an attractively ugly person: Tim Roth. Really not attractive, but has such intensity when he acts that he...is. Weirdly.

Date: 2011-11-22 08:15 pm (UTC)From: [identity profile] airspaniel.livejournal.com
I find Tim Roth to be legitimately very attractive, but I have a thing for slightly wonk-eyed Brits, so YMMV.

I think of "attractively ugly" like, Christopher Walken.

Date: 2011-11-22 08:17 pm (UTC)From: [identity profile] airspaniel.livejournal.com
Except for when he was very young, in which case he was legitimately gorgeous.

...I'm sorry I've hijacked this thread. -_-

Date: 2011-11-22 08:26 pm (UTC)From: [identity profile] ivy03.livejournal.com
It took me a couple episodes to get used to him. In still shots he's just--not. And he's short and has a hunched over posture and moves very weirdly. And yet, as a totallity, with his propensity to act by grabbing and wrestling people around, he is hot.

And why is Lie to Me not a fandom? Seriously. There are so many potential pairings, including two canon het ones. And most of the pairings would be interracial. Plus you've got Cal's long, tortured, mysterious past. I don't understand why fandom isn't aaaall over this.

...this has nothing to do with Middlemarch.

Date: 2011-11-22 09:16 pm (UTC)From: [identity profile] airspaniel.livejournal.com
So much of that is a physicality he's developed for Cal Lightman, and I'd be interested to know if any of the posture is influenced by the man who actually inspired the character, whose name I forget. The grappling and animal-like stalking, though, that's all Roth. He's one of the most delightfully primal actors in terms of voice and movement, and that just really gets me every time.

It tried to have a fandom briefly when it first started, but it was competing for attention with things like Dollhouse, FlashForward, and BSG, at least among the writers that I knew. It was like it was everyone's second favorite, and so it never really gelled. :/

...it would make a poor Middlemarch AU.

Date: 2011-11-22 09:20 pm (UTC)From: [identity profile] jethrien.livejournal.com
Young Christopher Walken was gorgeous?

Date: 2011-11-22 09:20 pm (UTC)From: [identity profile] jethrien.livejournal.com
S'okay.

Date: 2011-11-22 09:47 pm (UTC)From: [identity profile] jethrien.livejournal.com
...no, still funny lookin'. Still might be a soulless mass murderer who's totally going to shiv you in your sleep.

Date: 2011-11-22 09:50 pm (UTC)From: [identity profile] airspaniel.livejournal.com
No worries. I guess what I'm learning here is that I have strange taste in men. 0_o

Date: 2011-11-22 09:53 pm (UTC)From: [identity profile] jethrien.livejournal.com
...it would make a poor Middlemarch AU.

Actually, if someone who's good at picking up others' emotions walked into Middlemarch and told Lydgate that Rosamond is a shallow twit and the reason why his business is failing is because he hasn't tried to make himself part of the community, Dorothea that Casaubon is afraid she's going to sleep with Ladislaw, Rosamond that Ladislaw will never love her, Fred that old Featherstone isn't going to leave him the money, and everyone that Bulgrode is totally hiding secrets that will wreck everyone's lives, then people would end up a lot happier. Mary doesn't need to be told anything, because she's not an idiot.

Date: 2011-11-22 09:54 pm (UTC)From: [identity profile] jethrien.livejournal.com
It's cool--there's plenty of ugly men I'm still totally attracted to (Alan Rickman, I'm looking at you). But Christopher Walken creeps me out, despite the fact that I have no reason to believe he's not a perfectly nice guy. There's just something really unnerving about that man's eyes...(I think one is actually higher than the other.)

Date: 2011-11-22 09:59 pm (UTC)From: [identity profile] airspaniel.livejournal.com
It would also be much, much shorter. ^_~

Date: 2011-11-23 07:11 am (UTC)From: [identity profile] momerath4.livejournal.com
I'm one of those people (the ones who read it while in the process of getting an English degree).

I'm usually very fond of Victorian fiction, but clearly Middlemarch failed to make a big impression on me, because I remember very little about the plot except for the Dorothea/Casaubon thread. Regarding that, I distinctly remember *wanting* to identify with Dorothea because of the way she valued education and intellect... but actually wishing I could smack her the whole time because she was so effing pious and priggish. And I totally agree that George Eliot didn't really have a handle on the structure of this novel. It just kind of meanders, there are a ton of characters, and I didn't find any of them especially likeable or interesting.

So yeah, I didn't really care for it much.

Date: 2011-11-25 03:02 pm (UTC)From: [identity profile] caranille.livejournal.com
I read Middlemarch years ago (not while getting an English degree), and not only do I not remember it now, I remember not remembering anything about it shortly after I read it, if you follow. Tried a couple other Eliots and was indifferent to all. She may be ambitious, but at least for me she fails the "are these characters interesting" test.

War and Peace is equally doorstoppable, but it's quite a bit better.
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